on what experience? did you get a bad enter the dragon rental?

striking thoughts and the Tao of Jeet kwon do both outline his ideals.

if you read his break downs in Tao and compare it to modern MMA, i think the man can speak for him self.

You do know what JKD is right? what what it was built from?

Also, I have seen the interviews. I have seen Bruce Lee do his little jumps and kicks. I have seen those other actors who only knew the legend speak highly of him. I've seen his close friends comparing him to a god after he was dead and no-one could prove otherwise. I've seen all of this. There is just one thing I have yet to see: The man actually _fighting_ some. Not him flicking his wrists or pulling one punch: _FIGHTING_.

I feel he would fare just as well as Mr. Yanagiryuken here.

Once again, I am not talking about competitions nor am I talking about sportsmen, I'm talking about fighters, and even though you seem to claim that these competent lifelong fighters aren't really "warriors", the fact still remains that Bruce Lee has much less proven experience than any of them, be it from street fighting, competetive fighting, or even simply friendly sparring. Also, even champions can fall for the propaganda.

jean claude van damme was a world kick boxing champ and he was ko'd in more bars and clubs then anybody can count.

sport combatants (NOT including MMA fighters) train for thier SPORT and often dont perform well in real world combat.

where do you get your info from? theres tons of interviews of champions saying they'd never step in a ring with him if Bruce got to fight with "no rules" like he wanted.

too bad youtube cant post links or other videos or this debate would be over!!!

"there's no doubt in my mind that if Bruce Lee had gone into pro boxing, he could easily have ranked in the top three in the lightweight division or junior-welterweight division."Birchland, Bob (November), ""The Truth of Boxing: A Critical Look at Bruce Lee's Hand Skills"

Lee had boxed in the 1958 Boxing Championships held between twelve Hong Kong schools, a tournament in which he beat the three-time champion from another school (an English boy).[36]

theres MUCH more…

I once again use Oyama as an example, because that many truly was one of the few martial arts legends. He barely competed, yet he still has countless of living, real, people, some of which have very little personal "intimate" contact with him, who could prove what he did and that he indeed was great.

Bruce Lee has none of that. Nothing. No great tournament. No outstanding or even mediocre competetion history. Nothing. He was well-read, well-trained for his size, but he was not a _fighter_

I am still fucking flabberghasted as to what it is you people are trying to point to here, because as I have stated countless times, BRUCE LEE NEVER ONCE PROVED HIMSELF AS A FIGHTER. Yes, he may have had a great many a comment due to the fact that he was incredibly well-read in martial arts and bodybuilding, but THE MAN BARELY FOUGHT EVER. Competition or outside, the man never fought, and you cannot claim that he sought the "truth in combat", because the man never truly experienced combat.

also, competition is great, i competed in TKD. if you ever stepped in the ring, then you know competition is simply competition.Lee purpused the truth in combat.

He pushed for MMA before UFC made it commercial in the US and Pride made it big in Japan. He studied wrestling believe it or not and did ground and pound before it was given a name.

chuck Norris was multi-time world karate champ, so i guess you'd agree when he does a push up he pushes the world down opposed to pushing him self up.

WOW I never seen such ignorance spoken so eloquently.

By saying "perhaps" innovator shows you complete lack of knowledge on this subject. The street fighters in brazil arent much different from anywhere else, but the reason BJJ is better then the japanese original is because it was practiced on the streets.

Buakaw Pramuk was great but the REAL fighter bruce lee would've taken it to the ground much like most modern MMA fighters.

JKD = pre-modern MMA

Like I said before, Bruce Lee has his "super awesome streetfighting"-past, an amateur boxing tournament, and then an amazing TWO whole fights only a few people seem to ever remember truly happened, whereas a _REAL_ fighter goes way beyond that.

Mas Oyama killed a man in self-defence, wrestled bulls, fought 300 people over 3 days, and countless still-living students can say "That guy beat my ass". Thaiboxer Buakaw Pramuk has 217 recorded fights, and he doesn't even claim to be the greatest.

He may have been a great thinker and indeed perhaps an innovator within martial arts, but what I'm saying is that he was not an honest or straighforeward accepted fighter. He's an overly lauded celebrity with great acrobatic ability, not a fighter who's proven or even as much as tested himself repeatedly.

Just because it was in Hong Kong doesn't mean their streetfighting was any better than how it usually is: Wild swings, ganging up on people, and a whole lot of pack-mentality.

thats retarded.

Bruce lee was a street fighter out of hong kong back in the old days. Thats why he came to america, his dad sent him so he'd stay out of trouble.

He is one of the greats. He's predicted MMA/UFC style combat decades before it's birth.

Now what your talking about before you make your self look stupid.

well as long as he's gonna keep pretend fighting, I'll fight him.

El viejo kiai master es un estafador, se lo tiene merecido

Hey young man, you were suppose to play along and the let old uncoordinated man wins… LOL

bruce lee can woop anyone's ass bruce lee was a philosopher he knew his own weaknesses and made them his strenghts, he trained 24hours 7 days a week. bruce lee made his own fighting style he called jeet kun do no one can fuck with bruce lee because he is wise, in order to be a good martial artists you must be wise and strong. bruce was wise strong quick and ruthless

There is not him with the Japanese. 柳（yanagi
） is a name in the Korean Peninsura. He had better change an occupation

jajaja, esto no es pelicula, esto es lo qe pasa cuando pelea un viejito , por mas chingon qe sea los años pesan

Didn't you understand that i'm done with you? It's over between us. Find a new man to sexually harass.

Even though Wong Jack admitted a brawl, this by no means proves that Lee was a great fighter, much less the Greatest. Lee's other fights are still unsubstansiated, we have no idea how the Wong Jack fight really went, and none of Bruce's feats of incredible strength have been outright proven, and only a few of his "feats of speed" have been shown, and those were well within the limit of a skilled _exhibitionist_ "fighter".

I'm not trying to troll, I just want the truth, not flimsy hearsay.

You're ignorant, i'm done with you. Wong Jack Man ADMITTED IT! How in the fuck do we need witnesses when he admitted it? Fucking piece of shit internet trolls piss me off, i'm done showing proof to your stupid ass.

Cont.

As I have said before, Bruce Lee may have been a practitioner of martial arts, but he was NOT a fighter in any way, shape, or form. Even the most basic of fighters have fought dozens of "foes", and the true masters have beaten outright hundreds of people, one way or another. To call Bruce Lee one of the greats spits in the face of the men who actually _fight_, and just paves the way for more liars to walk on.

If you are to respect someone, respect Mas Oyama. 300 "fights" in 3 days.

Wong Jack Man and the Uechi fight were both classical examples of those "legendary witness-less fights" that I mentioned earlier, as only Lee and his close friends can seem to attest for it ever happening at all, much less it being an epic display of martial skill and power.

And he did not fight Vic Moore and there was no point-scoring. It was fully in exhibition purpose, as the entire premise was that Bruce Lee would throw a punch, and Vic would intercept/block it. That is not a fight.

Vic Moore was a 10th degree black belt in Shuri-Ryu karate system. Bruce Lee scored 8 points against Vic. Vic had zero points. Don't tell me Bruce was just an actor and acrobat!

My comment about Bruce Lee's real life fights was to the user "Ogith" because he was talking shit saying Bruce Lee never dueled anyone in real life and that Bruce Lee was just an acrobat and not a real fighter.